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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Dutch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dutch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chief Smackahoe, huh? Interesting.

First, realizing that you know &quot;less than nothing&quot; is important. I started with &quot;old school&quot; trainers that trained &quot;old school&quot; protection. Basically, you created the most dangerous animal you could through hard agitation. The only people that could handle the dog or be near it were the owners. Several years later I was introduced to dog sports. I could make almost any dog aggressive without ever touching him...a natural gift I have with dogs and tree huggers. Understanding what motivates the dog to do certain things, is essential to create real protection dogs. Comprehending and be able to judge hardness, nerves, stability are not gonna pop into your head via book, DVD or any of the worthless &quot;K9 colleges&quot;.....neither is understanding what must be done with what type of dog to get a real protection dog. Even though judges are leaning more toward awarding points to the most &quot;correctly performed&quot; exercises...there ARE still Schutzhund clubs that still train with the original focus. Finding &quot;Old School&quot; trainers is getting more &amp; more difficult every year....but it is information that is necessary. Military will teach you to &quot;Handle&quot;....not to &quot;Train&quot;. Police follow blindly behind &quot;Handlers&quot;.

What you need is &quot;hands on&quot; training with real trainers and real dogs. More than anything, Natural Ability is a must....it CANNOT be learned. Excellent handlers can be created....excellent trainers cannot. 95% of what is considered protection training, is nothing more than making aggressive dogs. A good protection dog is NOT aggressive. Knowing that you know less than nothing gives you a head start on those that think they DO know something....as THEY will never be good trainers. If this is a &quot;business&quot; plan, your reputation will dictate your future. Contacts in Europe do not come to those with attitude and a check book. Without contacts....not acquaintances...Real contacts....you will not have access to great dogs. When all you get is mediocre dogs to start with, then mediocre will be all you&#039;ll ever produce. As for seminars......until you can fathom what&#039;s being said, it&#039;s a waste of time. Get yourself a stainless steel pooper scooper, a pair of rubber boots, a whole lot of coffee...and go find a kennel job so you can pay your club dues at the local working club.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chief Smackahoe, huh? Interesting.</p>
<p>First, realizing that you know &quot;less than nothing&quot; is important. I started with &quot;old school&quot; trainers that trained &quot;old school&quot; protection. Basically, you created the most dangerous animal you could through hard agitation. The only people that could handle the dog or be near it were the owners. Several years later I was introduced to dog sports. I could make almost any dog aggressive without ever touching him&#8230;a natural gift I have with dogs and tree huggers. Understanding what motivates the dog to do certain things, is essential to create real protection dogs. Comprehending and be able to judge hardness, nerves, stability are not gonna pop into your head via book, DVD or any of the worthless &quot;K9 colleges&quot;&#8230;..neither is understanding what must be done with what type of dog to get a real protection dog. Even though judges are leaning more toward awarding points to the most &quot;correctly performed&quot; exercises&#8230;there ARE still Schutzhund clubs that still train with the original focus. Finding &quot;Old School&quot; trainers is getting more &amp; more difficult every year&#8230;.but it is information that is necessary. Military will teach you to &quot;Handle&quot;&#8230;.not to &quot;Train&quot;. Police follow blindly behind &quot;Handlers&quot;.</p>
<p>What you need is &quot;hands on&quot; training with real trainers and real dogs. More than anything, Natural Ability is a must&#8230;.it CANNOT be learned. Excellent handlers can be created&#8230;.excellent trainers cannot. 95% of what is considered protection training, is nothing more than making aggressive dogs. A good protection dog is NOT aggressive. Knowing that you know less than nothing gives you a head start on those that think they DO know something&#8230;.as THEY will never be good trainers. If this is a &quot;business&quot; plan, your reputation will dictate your future. Contacts in Europe do not come to those with attitude and a check book. Without contacts&#8230;.not acquaintances&#8230;Real contacts&#8230;.you will not have access to great dogs. When all you get is mediocre dogs to start with, then mediocre will be all you&#8217;ll ever produce. As for seminars&#8230;&#8230;until you can fathom what&#8217;s being said, it&#8217;s a waste of time. Get yourself a stainless steel pooper scooper, a pair of rubber boots, a whole lot of coffee&#8230;and go find a kennel job so you can pay your club dues at the local working club.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Curtis M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There isn&#039;t a working dog trainer on the planet who didn&#039;t start with sport dogs except for those who went directly in it via police work/military.

Sport training gets you used to the types of dogs you&#039;ll be working with. It teaches you the basics in obedience and bite work. From there, to train &quot;real&quot; dogs, it&#039;s basically your experience built in sport + the knowledge of how to help a dog realize that biting isn&#039;t a game, that it&#039;s a fight. You teach them how to win a fight. Over various scenarios you test them, and build their confidence in their ability to end and win fights.

I started with sport dogs...I never took it very seriously. I was like you, I wanted to work with &quot;real&quot; dogs, my goals were never lofty, it was pure and strict club/regionals level dogs learning the ropes. It&#039;d help your experience a LOT to start working with your local S&amp;R group as well...most of the &quot;real&quot; dog trainers out there are TERRIBLE at training tracking because they either have no experience in it, or Schutzhund tracking experience (which is useless when it comes to finding suspects). You&#039;re wanting to jump into something that will at least take you a few years to accomplish. Take your time, do it right, and start going to seminars!&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There isn&#8217;t a working dog trainer on the planet who didn&#8217;t start with sport dogs except for those who went directly in it via police work/military.</p>
<p>Sport training gets you used to the types of dogs you&#8217;ll be working with. It teaches you the basics in obedience and bite work. From there, to train &quot;real&quot; dogs, it&#8217;s basically your experience built in sport + the knowledge of how to help a dog realize that biting isn&#8217;t a game, that it&#8217;s a fight. You teach them how to win a fight. Over various scenarios you test them, and build their confidence in their ability to end and win fights.</p>
<p>I started with sport dogs&#8230;I never took it very seriously. I was like you, I wanted to work with &quot;real&quot; dogs, my goals were never lofty, it was pure and strict club/regionals level dogs learning the ropes. It&#8217;d help your experience a LOT to start working with your local S&amp;R group as well&#8230;most of the &quot;real&quot; dog trainers out there are TERRIBLE at training tracking because they either have no experience in it, or Schutzhund tracking experience (which is useless when it comes to finding suspects). You&#8217;re wanting to jump into something that will at least take you a few years to accomplish. Take your time, do it right, and start going to seminars!<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Rogue - Don't bully my breed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rogue - Don't bully my breed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Schutzhund and french rings ARE games. Any real protection trainer can tell you that and real protection dogs are not trained in games or sports. However it might be a good place for you to start in learning it. From there you can get into the more experienced stuff, but basics first. 

Staring for my contacts in protection work. Wish you luck and I am not really sure why it is ignorant for someone to want to get started in this.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Schutzhund and french rings ARE games. Any real protection trainer can tell you that and real protection dogs are not trained in games or sports. However it might be a good place for you to start in learning it. From there you can get into the more experienced stuff, but basics first. </p>
<p>Staring for my contacts in protection work. Wish you luck and I am not really sure why it is ignorant for someone to want to get started in this.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Lioness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lioness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With any dog sport, a good place to start is swallowing your pride and volunteer for any and all grunt work that comes your way.  If you go spouting off acting like you know it all, nobody who knows anything is even going to give you the time of day - and you need those people.
One of the best things to do is watch A LOT!  I watched training classes or months before I ever started training a dog... and I ended up borrowing a friend&#039;s dog to work because I didn&#039;t have my own.  I also took every opportunity ever provided to me to work the dogs of more experienced trainers.  

And the most important thing I have learned with any training I have ever done... 
When you know nothing compared to the people you&#039;re working with, shoveling sh*t is never beneath you.  Pay your dues, shut up and listen, watch and learn... it&#039;s the only way you&#039;ll get anywhere IMO.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With any dog sport, a good place to start is swallowing your pride and volunteer for any and all grunt work that comes your way.  If you go spouting off acting like you know it all, nobody who knows anything is even going to give you the time of day &#8211; and you need those people.<br />
One of the best things to do is watch A LOT!  I watched training classes or months before I ever started training a dog&#8230; and I ended up borrowing a friend&#8217;s dog to work because I didn&#8217;t have my own.  I also took every opportunity ever provided to me to work the dogs of more experienced trainers.  </p>
<p>And the most important thing I have learned with any training I have ever done&#8230;<br />
When you know nothing compared to the people you&#8217;re working with, shoveling sh*t is never beneath you.  Pay your dues, shut up and listen, watch and learn&#8230; it&#8217;s the only way you&#8217;ll get anywhere IMO.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Elaine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your ignorance-spouting has just proved you incapable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your ignorance-spouting has just proved you incapable.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Kaper  Go Canada!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaper  Go Canada!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starred for my contacts who can answer that. There are very few here who can give first hand knowledge of how to go about it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starred for my contacts who can answer that. There are very few here who can give first hand knowledge of how to go about it.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by T J</title>
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		<dc:creator>T J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First go to school and get a degree, Criminal Justice should be right up your ally.
Also find an accomplished trainer to work for while you are going to school.

The one problem you are going to run into is that your reputation as a trainer will be built around what the dogs you have trained have done in competition. Without those pretty ribbons your dogs will be just dogs, and no one will even know that you are around.

Tell ya what, IF I was 18, and knew what I know now, this is what I would try for.
http://www.lackland.af.mil/units/341stmwd/index.asp
Warn you though, the bar is set very high to qualify. I believe the minimum ASVAB score is 95.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First go to school and get a degree, Criminal Justice should be right up your ally.<br />
Also find an accomplished trainer to work for while you are going to school.</p>
<p>The one problem you are going to run into is that your reputation as a trainer will be built around what the dogs you have trained have done in competition. Without those pretty ribbons your dogs will be just dogs, and no one will even know that you are around.</p>
<p>Tell ya what, IF I was 18, and knew what I know now, this is what I would try for.<br />
<a href="http://www.lackland.af.mil/units/341stmwd/index.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.lackland.af.mil/units/341stmwd/index.asp</a><br />
Warn you though, the bar is set very high to qualify. I believe the minimum ASVAB score is 95.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by TK</title>
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		<dc:creator>TK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, that’s a new one.  I’ve never heard of Schutzhund referred to as “a game”.  Have you ever been the poor shlub in that padded suit?  Schutzhund dogs aren’t playing around.  
Perhaps you should find some companies that supply security dogs to businesses and talk to their trainers.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, that’s a new one.  I’ve never heard of Schutzhund referred to as “a game”.  Have you ever been the poor shlub in that padded suit?  Schutzhund dogs aren’t playing around.<br />
Perhaps you should find some companies that supply security dogs to businesses and talk to their trainers.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on How do working line dog trainers become trainers? by Sassy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sassy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you will need to get into shutzhund before you can spout off, as to how this is just games. Educate yourself hands on first, and then try different methods.&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you will need to get into shutzhund before you can spout off, as to how this is just games. Educate yourself hands on first, and then try different methods.<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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		<title>Comment on Mass Effect 2 cheats/trainer? by Andy F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why did you buy the game if all you do is cheat at it. It&#039;s so sad&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;References : &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why did you buy the game if all you do is cheat at it. It&#8217;s so sad<br /><b>References : </b></p>
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